Top Ten Reasons Americans Want Enormous Cars
Top Ten Reasons Americans Want Enormous Cars
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I'mma give this one to the lady on the bottom right. Not for the reason she states, but if you got 7 kids you gotta pile in, a Corolla ain't gonna cut it.
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I’m now suddenly suspecting that 7 seater compact cars are not a thing in places like the US. We got 7 seater Avanzas here in the third world, but come to think of it, there might be some regulatory thing preventing this format of car from being sold in some places.
It’s good. We used taxis like that a lot in HS before anyone in the friend group was 18 (yes yes you let your kids drive at 16 in the US how open minded of you to create more car customers like that), it came out to very little per person when you had like 6-7 people sharing essentially one small economy car.
I think it wouldn’t be the most convenient since you can’t put much cargo with all the seats up, but like there are more formats out there right? First gen Honda Odyssey size is what I would have in mind - surely some manufacturer is still making something similar?
Tank-on-wheels is a ridiculous default design
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A minivan will hold as many kids, is safer than an SUV, and they are on the smaller end of the SUV sizes.
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Plus a minivan is 100x easier to get kids in and out of compared to an SUV. Honestly minivans might be peak transport vehicle form factor…
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They are for peak for transporting 4-6 people and some cargo. Or a couple people and a lot of cargo. They are more fuel efficient than SUVs and use all the available space for their footprint up to the roofline.
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Minivans are basically the mid sized truck version of vans.
That used to be literally true: back in the early '90s, the Ford Ranger pickup truck and the Ford Aerostar minivan shared a lot of parts (along with the Ford Explorer SUV).
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Still true. For many larger platforms that have frame on body construction, the van and truck are almost identical except for the shell put on top. But you'll see a lot of shared parts even in unibody stuff.
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...minivans and hatchbacks: purposefully-designed suburban utility vehicles, all the respect in the world for both...
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I have a "midsize" SUV and went on vacation with seven people, and it could hardly hold all of us even with a luggage rack on the hitch. We rented a minivan at our destination, and it EASILY fit all seven people and luggage with room to spare and was more comfortable. It also was a hybrid and got > 30mpg. Definitely wanting to rethink that SUV purchase now.
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I have a little Mitsubishi Outlander that seats 7 and I’d cut off a toe for a minivan.
My teenager has to crawl through the hatch to get in her seat lol.
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I do think minivans should be more common as being more practical, but I don't see how they're safer. They also tend to be less fuel efficient due to aerodynamics. They tend to have a lower floor with more or less the same ceiling height. That gives them a larger frontal cross section compared to an equivalent sized SUV.
This applies to vans and trucks, as well. Trucks based on the same platform tend to have better mileage than the van.
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They are safer to pedestrians because they tend to have lower and more curved hoods (making impact at low speeds less dangerous) and they also give better visibility to the driver.
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Thank you. For some reason our entire society thinks "safety" only applies to the people inside of the vehicle.
It's a testament to our very individualized society under capitalism. It's basing all values on a individuals consumption choices. Rather than the safety and security of society as a whole.
Sadly, carrying around a brick above your head is still the only "consumer" choice pedestrians have for safety.
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That last panel is why the entire “fuck cars” movement is a joke. You can’t have real solutions if you don’t have real empathy.
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I don't think you've spent much time here if you think that "fuck cars" is being said without empathy. None of us think that nobody should be allowed to own a car and that there aren't legitimate use cases. Just that the vast majority of cases are Not That and for how dangerous and inefficient they are, along with infrastructure that only considers the experience of people in cars, the extent that cars have taken over and define our lives (again, as non-single-mothers-of-seven) is ridiculous.
Also, station wagons used to exist. Mini vans still exist. You could transport this many kids and not have to drive a massive truck that's likely to mow one of them down in the driveway before you even notice they're unaccounted for. There are other "real solutions" for this person. In fact, that single mother would have a far more peaceful time transporting her family if the cars around her were both smaller in size and fewer in number. Our interests are aligned, you see.
Have you tried having some empathy for those that are strained by the financial burden of owning a car? Society should consider people that don't want and shouldn't need to own a car just as much as it considers people who do need to own a car. Go project your lack of "real empathy" somewhere else cause it's definitely misplaced here.
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I mean here is a comparison between a minivan and a 3 row EV SUV:
Not every SUV is a Suburban or Escalade.
Also, a wagon is not a replacement for a Minivan, the station wagon jump seats that I grew up with were firmly in the crumple zone, and would prevent any cargo from being loaded.
The person who wrote this comic never shopped for a family hauler, or has shopped for a family hauler and ignored their lived experience to make a quip.
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Here's the thing: "Family-hauler" is so dumb. In a sane society, that wouldn't even be a thing. Those kids should have the freedom to get around on their own, but they can't because of all the super-sized "family-haulers" that would kill them.
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If that's why the movement is a joke, then why are there several upvoted posts here saying that one is a legit reason?
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The grains of salt I take when going to a fuckcars sub:
- Most, not all, but most people online and in reality live in congested cities full of cars, and 90% of the sub will be their POV.
- Carbon emissions are bad, full stop
- Living even in a suburban area makes you an outlier
They could change their names to fuckallthesecarsinparticular but I get how offputting that is.
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Suburbia is only reliant on cars because it was buitl that way. FuckCars wants that to change. The movement is not just condemning cars, but car centric infrastructure first and foremost.
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I think the bottom right one is supposed to be sympathetic and more making fun of the catch 22 of the car arms race caused by all the other panels.
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Even if we outright banned cars with no nuance or forethought whatsoever, that would still save billions from climate change.
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If that's your take, you have no idea what you're talking about
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